{"comments":{"853519":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"853519","comment_id":"853519","member_id":"43715","comment":"Absolutely, I think there are always pleasant surprises. I wouldn't be too worried about teams NOT living up to expectations in the first couple weeks of the season, though.
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\nFWIW, this is what I had projected for West Plains this year. Projected (rounded) times on the right for a standard fairly-fast 5k, and their (rounded) times at Memphis Twilight on the left:
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\n16:05 Camden Barrett 16:05
\n16:30 Jeremy Inman 16:15
\n16:50 Kameron Moss 16:20
\n16:35 Jordan Inman 16:30
\n16:30 Quentin Keller 16:35
\n17:10 Ransom Nichols 17:05
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\nSurprises:
\n 4 White, Dylan 10 West Plains HS 16:28.47 3
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\nBut the important note: The projections are where I have them FINISHING the year, not starting the year. So while some runners aren't there yet, if this was a fairly-fast course, others already are.
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\nThe important aspect to take away from the meet for West Plains is the emergence Dylan White. He'll make a difference in the rankings (and Keller's better-than-expected improvement will be taken into consideration as well)","date_added":"Sep 12th 2013, 2:39am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":170093,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"853516":{"pb_id":"50482","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"853516","comment_id":"853516","member_id":"50482","comment":"I think that it is safe to say that many under ranked teams have exceeded the expectations of those making them. They have improved more than expected and while its still very early in the season, we can expect to see even better improvements from those teams.","date_added":"Sep 12th 2013, 2:22am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":170093,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"ThatRunnerDude","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=50482","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/ThatRunnerDude.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1206735"},"853509":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"853509","comment_id":"853509","member_id":"43715","comment":"

<\/a>ThatRunnerDude, on , said:<\/p>

\nI can recall that no missouri team races on a 3 mile course except SLUH who attends the palatine invite, and many missouri teams do not compete against high level competition and if you add the average time for the .1 in a 5k to those times, they arent much better at all.
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\nExcept that those times were run at altitude, and the difference between a 3 mile vs. 5k and sea-level vs. 4530' is not that significant (3 mile -> 5k is ~3.6% difference, while the difference at ~4500' vs. sea-level is ~2.4%).
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\nSo, IF we were to assume that the courses had similar terrain, then...
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\nWestlake 5k equivalents = roughly 15:55-15:55-16:20-16:20-16:25
\nwhile West Plains MO was, roughly, 16:05-16:30-16:30-16:30-16:35
\n
\nagain, not taking into account the likely dissimilar terrain.
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\nThat suggests that there is not a significant (considering how early it is in the season, and the level of competition in these races) difference between the two teams, aside from the #2 runners which is in favor of preseason US#119 Westlake UT, unless either the Memphis Twilight had much more rough terrain\/worse conditions (would have to be more than a 10 second difference due to terrain and other conditions for West Plains to pull even).
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\nBy the way, Westlake's meet also included US#3 American Fork, US#46 Riverton, US#90 Lone Peak, and a good but unranked (in the SW and the US) Herriman team.
\nThis is how it turned out:
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<\/a>Coach Mostert, on , said:<\/p>

\nUtah's Region of Death
\nRegion IV Pre-Region<\/a> 3.00 miles at Westlake HS, Saratoga Springs, Utah. 4530 ft. altitude.
\n
\n 1.AF 76:18, 1,2,6,8,12,(13,14, 18,20,30,31)=29 points. 1.Connor McMillan 14:47.2 (5:09,4:55, 4:43)
\n (Old course record Chuk Mitchell, Herriman 15:07, 2012) 9 boys under 16:00.
\n 2,.Lone Peak 78:28, 3,7,15,19,23,(27,35)=67, 4 boys under 16:00
\n 3.Westlake 79:09, 9,10,20,21,22,(25),(32) =82, 4 boys under 16:00
\n 4.Riverton 79:47, 5,11,16,36,37,(39), (40) = 105
\n 5.Herriman 79:51, 4,18,26,29,31,(38),(41)=108
\n 6.Pleasant Grove 81:46, 150
\n 7.Lehi 85:24, 191
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\ntl;dr - West Plains is looking good, as expected, though Westlake (which did get ranked just inside the top 120) is looking better so far. Both teams look capable of competing with US Top-50 type teams, as do other unranked teams. Because there are a lot more than 120 teams in the US that can compete at that level.
\nBut keep up the debate, because West Plains is one of many teams that deserve to be kept on the radar, because they a good team that might sneak into the mid-season rankings, and even more likely is they end up on the deeper post-season rankings. The more I, and others, are informed, the better my (and others) rankings will be ... ideally. Plus, these teams are all worthy of mentioning, so keep on mentioning them!<\/span><\/strong>","date_added":"Sep 12th 2013, 1:42am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":170093,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"852902":{"pb_id":"45238","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"852902","comment_id":"852902","member_id":"45238","comment":"

<\/a>ThatRunnerDude, on , said:<\/p>

\nWest plains is capable of contending with most teams in the top 50 now. Sluh is in it, Rock Bridge. West Plains had a 31 second 1-5 split at Memphis Twilight with the 5th man being 16:35. Sluh is as good or better than them. Just think Missouri teams should have gotten a little more recognition.
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\nJust to give you an idea, Westlake HS, UT (#119) went 15:34, 15:34, 15:57, 15:59, 16:03, 16:09, 16:19 for 3 miles at 4,500ft elevation and were third in a meet of 7 teams (American Fork, UT & Lone Peak, UT; Riverton, UT also ranked, was 4th). Though Missouri may have some good teams, they don't stack up to this according to what you have indicated.","date_added":"Sep 10th 2013, 1:02pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":170093,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-45238.jpg","pb_title":"distancemulti68","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=45238","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=45238","pb_wally_id":"1105267"},"853495":{"pb_id":"50482","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"852902","pid":"853495","comment_id":"853495","member_id":"50482","comment":"I can recall that no missouri team races on a 3 mile course except SLUH who attends the palatine invite, and many missouri teams do not compete against high level competition and if you add the average time for the .1 in a 5k to those times, they arent much better at all.","date_added":"Sep 12th 2013, 1:05am","nest":1,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":170093,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"ThatRunnerDude","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=50482","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/ThatRunnerDude.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1206735"},"849804":{"pb_id":"9184","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"849804","comment_id":"849804","member_id":"9184","comment":"

<\/a>ThatRunnerDude, on , said:<\/p>

\nWest plains is capable of contending with most teams in the top 50 now. Sluh is in it, Rock Bridge. West Plains had a 31 second 1-5 split at Memphis Twilight with the 5th man being 16:35. Sluh is as good or better than them. Just think Missouri teams should have gotten a little more recognition.<\/strong>
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\nThat's the beauty of these lists\/threads. The more people that see and critique them, the more attention that is brought to everyone. That in turn leads to more recognition for unranked teams once the season gets underway.
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\nDan","date_added":"Sep 7th 2013, 12:31am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":170093,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"members\/avatar\/3295.jpg","pb_title":"dkap","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=9184","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/dkap.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"10044"},"849766":{"pb_id":"50482","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"849766","comment_id":"849766","member_id":"50482","comment":"West plains is capable of contending with most teams in the top 50 now. Sluh is in it, Rock Bridge. West Plains had a 31 second 1-5 split at Memphis Twilight with the 5th man being 16:35. Sluh is as good or better than them. Just think Missouri teams should have gotten a little more recognition.","date_added":"Sep 6th 2013, 10:50pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":170093,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"ThatRunnerDude","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=50482","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/ThatRunnerDude.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1206735"},"849676":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"849676","comment_id":"849676","member_id":"43715","comment":"Because there are far more than 120 teams capable of being in the top 120.
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\nFor Missouri, I looked at Festus, Warrensburg, Raymore-Peculiar, Liberty, West Plains and Wildwood Lafayette in addition to St. Louis University. Those are all good teams, they just didn't make the pre-season cut. Maybe they (or others) will be there by the end of the year.","date_added":"Sep 6th 2013, 7:49pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":170093,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"849669":{"pb_id":"50482","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"849669","comment_id":"849669","member_id":"50482","comment":"Why is only 1 Missouri team ranked in the top 120? I know that there are at least 3 capable of being in it!","date_added":"Sep 6th 2013, 7:24pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":170093,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"ThatRunnerDude","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=50482","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/ThatRunnerDude.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1206735"},"848848":{"pb_id":"45400","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"848848","comment_id":"848848","member_id":"45400","comment":"

<\/a>DontStopPre, on , said:<\/p>

\nAny reason given as to why they aren't running?
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\nMention of outside influences in Rich's analysis of LB Poly:
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\n#5 LB Poly<\/a>","date_added":"Sep 4th 2013, 2:58am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":170093,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"Greg Beal","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=45400","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/Greg-Beal.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1108424"},"846693":{"pb_id":"45158","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"846693","comment_id":"846693","member_id":"45158","comment":"

<\/a>Greg Beal, on , said:<\/p>

\nRich Gonzalez has reported on PrepCalTrack that Bautista and Palazzo won't be running for Poly this fall.
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\n Any reason given as to why they aren't running?","date_added":"Sep 2nd 2013, 4:27am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":170093,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"DontStopPre","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=45158","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=45158","pb_wally_id":"1182171"},"846623":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"846623","comment_id":"846623","member_id":"43715","comment":"

<\/a>Greg Beal, on , said:<\/p>

\nRich Gonzalez has reported on PrepCalTrack that Bautista and Palazzo won't be running for Poly this fall.
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\n
\nThat's big... they'll still be good, but that probably bumps them down to around Madera South's level.","date_added":"Sep 1st 2013, 10:03pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":170093,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"845330":{"pb_id":"50320","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"845330","comment_id":"845330","member_id":"50320","comment":"

<\/a>watchout, on , said:<\/p>

\nThe further back you go, the more I'm bound to miss. The top teams in the nation typically aren't difficult to track down, but #11-30 teams in the region can be more of a challenge. That's the reason why I always start up my threads on here, to help identify the teams that aren't so noticeable but can make an impact on the state and regional level.
\n
\nI didn't include any of those three Indiana teams. I'll add them in now based on what's posted online and see where they would end up.
\n
\nEDIT: Ok, based on the combined knowledge of Milespilt, Dyestat and Athletic.net, this is what I have returning for those three teams (indoor+outdoor track anywhere near the posted standards, plus Indiana State and NXN-Midwest for XC):
\n
\n
\nLawrence North IN
\n1. Joe Murphy (12) 4:16.53 1600m<\/strong>, 4:21.60y, 9:51.19 3200m
\n2. Robel Teklezghi (12) 9:38.43 3200m<\/strong>
\n3. Jake Hannawalt (12) 9:42.47 3200m<\/strong>
\n4. Ethan Hoeft (11) 4:32.78 1600m<\/strong>, 4:35.38y
\n5. (no other runner near the standard)
\n
\nBrebeuf Jesuit IN
\n1. Zack Snider (11) 15:47.80 IN State; 4:27.27 1600m, 4:24.13y, 8:35.32 3k, 9:06.05 3200m<\/strong>
\n2. Nathan Wilkey (12) 18:04.2 NXN-Midwest; 4:21.15 1600m<\/strong>, 9:41.73 3200m
\n3. Matt Lang (12) 4:21.27 1600m<\/strong>, 9:45.05 3200m
\n4. Will Coffey (12) 17:19.4 NXN-Midwest<\/strong>; 9:56.36 3200m
\n5. Robbie Deckard (12) 16:19.41 5k<\/strong>
\n
\nFishers IN
\n1. Calvin Kraft (12) 16:18.0 IN State<\/strong>; 4:19.99 1600m, 9:36.97 3200m
\n2. Nick Butler (11) 4:34.88 1600m, 9:41.88 3200m<\/strong>
\n3. Trevor Thompson (10) 4:32.23 1600m, 9:49.89 3200m<\/strong>
\n4. Daniel Greiwe (10) 9:58.28 3200m<\/strong>
\n5. (no other runner near the standard)
\n
\n
\n...
\n
\nIf that's all correct, then Brebeuf Jesuit should have been included. They would have been behind Cathedral, but would have been the next team from the Midwest... so somewhere in the US#86-92 range. The other two teams would have been in the MW#30-40 range (alongside teams like West Lafayette IN or Naperville North IL).
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\nToday at the Franklin Community Invitational in Indiana, Brebeuf Jesuit beat #29 Columbus North by 2 points.
\nhttp:\/\/www.alphatimi...bid=113&mid=407<\/a>","date_added":"Aug 31st 2013, 8:46pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":170093,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"zsnides","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=50320","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/zsnides.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1205977"},"845094":{"pb_id":"45400","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"845094","comment_id":"845094","member_id":"45400","comment":"

<\/a>watchout, on , said:<\/p>

\n
\nUS#7 Long Beach Poly CA<\/strong>: (track times 1600m\/3200m unless noted)
\n1. Miguel Bautista (12) 14:30 CIF-SS, 15:25.8 CA State<\/span>; 4:22.63\/9:16.93 and 8:43.16 3k
\n2. Jovani Gamboa (12) 14:40 CIF-SS, 15:46.8 CA State<\/span>; 4:34.47
\n3. Christian Vazquez (12) 14:43 CIF-SS, 15:48.4 CA State<\/span>; 4:28.97\/9:50.81
\n4. Anthony Palazzo (11) 14:41 CIF-SS, 15:49.5 CA State<\/span>; 4:33.62\/9:39.12
\n5. Colby Penn (10) 14:57 CIF-SS<\/span>, 16:29.9 CA State; 4:42.47\/9:59.62
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\nRich Gonzalez has reported on PrepCalTrack that Bautista and Palazzo won't be running for Poly this fall.","date_added":"Aug 31st 2013, 5:59pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":170093,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"Greg Beal","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=45400","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/Greg-Beal.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1108424"},"844749":{"pb_id":"50300","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"844749","comment_id":"844749","member_id":"50300","comment":"Cool, thanks for looking into that. We'll see how things turn out!","date_added":"Aug 31st 2013, 1:52am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":170093,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"TheINCrowd.","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=50300","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/TheInCrowd-.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1205804"},"844740":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"844740","comment_id":"844740","member_id":"43715","comment":"The further back you go, the more I'm bound to miss. The top teams in the nation typically aren't difficult to track down, but #11-30 teams in the region can be more of a challenge. That's the reason why I always start up my threads on here, to help identify the teams that aren't so noticeable but can make an impact on the state and regional level.
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\nI didn't include any of those three Indiana teams. I'll add them in now based on what's posted online and see where they would end up.
\n
\nEDIT: Ok, based on the combined knowledge of Milespilt, Dyestat and Athletic.net, this is what I have returning for those three teams (indoor+outdoor track anywhere near the posted standards, plus Indiana State and NXN-Midwest for XC):
\n
\n
\nLawrence North IN
\n1. Joe Murphy (12) 4:16.53 1600m<\/strong>, 4:21.60y, 9:51.19 3200m
\n2. Robel Teklezghi (12) 9:38.43 3200m<\/strong>
\n3. Jake Hannawalt (12) 9:42.47 3200m<\/strong>
\n4. Ethan Hoeft (11) 4:32.78 1600m<\/strong>, 4:35.38y
\n5. (no other runner near the standard)
\n
\nBrebeuf Jesuit IN
\n1. Zack Snider (11) 15:47.80 IN State; 4:27.27 1600m, 4:24.13y, 8:35.32 3k, 9:06.05 3200m<\/strong>
\n2. Nathan Wilkey (12) 18:04.2 NXN-Midwest; 4:21.15 1600m<\/strong>, 9:41.73 3200m
\n3. Matt Lang (12) 4:21.27 1600m<\/strong>, 9:45.05 3200m
\n4. Will Coffey (12) 17:19.4 NXN-Midwest<\/strong>; 9:56.36 3200m
\n5. Robbie Deckard (12) 16:19.41 5k<\/strong>
\n
\nFishers IN
\n1. Calvin Kraft (12) 16:18.0 IN State<\/strong>; 4:19.99 1600m, 9:36.97 3200m
\n2. Nick Butler (11) 4:34.88 1600m, 9:41.88 3200m<\/strong>
\n3. Trevor Thompson (10) 4:32.23 1600m, 9:49.89 3200m<\/strong>
\n4. Daniel Greiwe (10) 9:58.28 3200m<\/strong>
\n5. (no other runner near the standard)
\n
\n
\n...
\n
\nIf that's all correct, then Brebeuf Jesuit should have been included. They would have been behind Cathedral, but would have been the next team from the Midwest... so somewhere in the US#86-92 range. The other two teams would have been in the MW#30-40 range (alongside teams like West Lafayette IN or Naperville North IL).","date_added":"Aug 31st 2013, 1:08am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":170093,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"844733":{"pb_id":"50300","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"844733","comment_id":"844733","member_id":"50300","comment":"I don\u0092t know if all the states are like this, but there appear to be glaring omissions in your list for the Indiana teams. Both Brebeuf Jesuit and Lawrence North aren\u0092t on your list at all and they appear to be closer to the level of Columbus North at #29 than they are to the trio of teams from Indiana you have at #85-#103. In the last race of their season last year, you can see that both those schools return much more than Cathedral, who you rank as your #85 team:
\nhttp:\/\/www.ihsaa.org...eufRegional.pdf<\/a>
\n
\nTwo of the Indiana preseason lists that are usually the best have the exact same top 4 in the same order (First one is opinion, second is computerized). Brebeuf Jesuit and Lawrence North are 3, 4 in both.
\nhttp:\/\/indianarunner...season-xc-teams<\/a>
\nhttp:\/\/www.inccstats...\/preseason.html<\/a>
\n
\n
\nIn addition, the teams had separate runners with the following track times, which are better than the 3rd, 4th, and 5th team from Indiana that you listed:
\nBrebeuf Jesuit: 9:06, 4:20, 4:21, 9:56
\nLawrence North: 9:38, 9:42, 4:16, 4:32 (The 4:32 guy was their #1 in XC last year, but had injury issues during track)
\n
\nI\u0092m just curious if you looked at these teams and if so what made you decide not to put them on your list. I would say that Fishers might belong above your #3, 4 and 5 Indiana schools too, but that one isn\u0092t as clear. I'm not saying these teams should be top 25 and maybe not even top 50, but I'm surprised they're not on your list at all.","date_added":"Aug 31st 2013, 12:43am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":170093,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"TheINCrowd.","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=50300","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/TheInCrowd-.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1205804"},"844709":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"844709","comment_id":"844709","member_id":"43715","comment":"

<\/a>WAfan, on , said:<\/p>

\nJust a little correction, Moussa has ran 1500-4:01.39 and 5k-15:14.4
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\nThanks. I probably missed some other track times for the O'Brien's Army Track Club this spring\/summer - but luckily, they are all longer distance types and their XC marks are probably almost all better than their track times.","date_added":"Aug 31st 2013, 12:10am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":170093,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"844708":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"844708","comment_id":"844708","member_id":"43715","comment":"

<\/a>WAfan, on , said:<\/p>

\nAnd Carroll 4:12.53 for 1600.
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\nThat was actually what their coaches converted his 4:14.00 mile. You're right that I didn't include that in what he's done, though - I'll add it.","date_added":"Aug 31st 2013, 12:08am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":170093,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"844706":{"pb_id":"50301","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"844706","comment_id":"844706","member_id":"50301","comment":"And Carroll 4:12.53 for 1600.","date_added":"Aug 30th 2013, 11:58pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":170093,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"WAfan","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=50301","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/WAfan.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1205803"},"844704":{"pb_id":"50301","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"844704","comment_id":"844704","member_id":"50301","comment":"Just a little correction, Moussa has ran 1500-4:01.39 and 5k-15:14.4","date_added":"Aug 30th 2013, 11:53pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":170093,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"WAfan","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=50301","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/WAfan.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1205803"},"844687":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"844687","comment_id":"844687","member_id":"43715","comment":"Here ya go, Steve -
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\nAgain, quick note: I didn't record all the track times for all the athletes out there to give them a complete profile if the performances I already had for them were better. So, some kids might have run track times and I don't have any track marks listed, or some might have run good miles or 2 miles that aren't included because other performances were already superior. Hopefully no typos as I re-type this...
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\nUS#1 Christian Brothers Academy NJ<\/strong>: (track times 1600m\/3200m unless noted)
\n1. Tom Rooney (12) 16:03 NJ Groups, 16:34.3 NXN-NE, 18:42 NXN; 4:17.25\/9:09.70<\/span>
\n2. Mike McClemens (12) 16:00 NJ Groups, 16:18.8 NXN-NE<\/span>, 18:23 NXN; 4:14.29\/9:13.50
\n3. Blaise Ferro (10) 17:14.0 NXN-NE; 4:23.70\/9:13.26<\/span>
\n4. Josh Kruppa (11) 16:44.6 NXN-NE, 18:16 NXN<\/span>; 4:33.26\/9:26.13
\n5. Francis Bogan (12) 16:06 NJ Groups<\/span>, 17:14.2 NXN-NE, 18:47 NXN; 4:44.27\/9:19.29
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\nUS#2 Gig Harbor WA<\/strong>: (track times 1600m\/3200m unless noted)
\n1. Wolfgang Beck (12) 15:16.3 WA State<\/span>, 16:15.4 NXN-NW; 4:15.94\/9:12.07 and 4:02.90 1500m\/8:42.31 3k
\n2. Tristan Peloquin (11) 16:08.9 WA State, 16:32.7 NXN-NW; 4:17.32\/9:09.27<\/span> and 4:07.55 1500m
\n3. Mahmoud Moussa (12) 15:41.9 CA State, 18:06 NXN<\/span>; 4:23.40y\/4:01.39 1500m and 15:14.4? 5k
\n4. Logan Carroll (12) 15:38.6 WA State<\/span>, 16:21.6 NXN-NW; 4:17.65 and 4:07.66 1500m\/4:14.00y
\n5. Jordan Oldenburg (12) 16:04.5 WA State<\/span>, 16:50.9 NXN-NW, 4:22.34 and 4:18.54 1500m
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\nUS#3 American Fork UT<\/strong>: (track times 1600m\/3200m unless noted; track times represent altitude adjustment)
\n1. Connor McMillan (12) 15:30.7 UT State, 15:09.32 NXN-SW, 17:42 NXN<\/span>; 4:22.99\/9:08.5
\n2. Zac Jacklin (11) 15:45.1 UT State, 15:21.83 NXN-SW, 18:01 NXN<\/span>; 4:33.61\/9:20.5
\n3. Caleb Thompson (12) 16:07.6 UT State, 15:25.55 NXN-SW<\/span>, 18:22 NXN; 4:33.61
\n4. Spencer Herzog (12) 16:09.3 UT State, 15:42.90 NXN-SW<\/span>; 18:54 NXN; No track info
\n5. Tyler Bell (12) 16:41.3 UT State, 15:59.61 NXN-SW, 18:44 NXN<\/span>; No track info
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\nUS#4 Arcadia CA<\/strong>: (track times 1600m\/3200m unless noted)
\n1. Estevan De La Rosa (12) 14:01 CIF-SS, 15:04.9 CA State, 17:09 NXN<\/span>; 3:59.06 1500m and 14:50.36 5k
\n2. Phillip Rocha (10) 14:19 CIF-SS, 15:26.8 CA State<\/span>, 18:09 NXN; 4:17.99\/9:17.42 and 4:15.06 1500m\/4:20.51y
\n3. Josue Gonzalez (12) 15:39.6 CA State<\/span>, 18:25 NXN; 4:17.16 1500m
\n4. Jarrick Wenslow (12) 14:57 CIF-SS, 15:56.2 CA State<\/span>, 19:15 NXN; 4:17.83 1500m\/4:30.50y
\n5. Bryan Ngo (12) 14:45 CIF-SS<\/span>, 16:04.7 CA State, 19:26 NXN; No track info
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\nUS#5 West Chester Henderson PA<\/strong>: (track times 1600m\/3200m unless noted)
\n1. Tony Russell (12) 15:45 PA State, 15:51.7 NXN-NE<\/span>, 18:49 NXN; 4:14.20\/9:07.08 and 4:14.52y\/8:38.01 3k
\n2. Reiny Barchet (12) 16:25 PA State, 15:55.8 NXN-NE<\/span>, 17:44 NXN<\/span>; 4:24.70\/9:08.97 and 4:29.01y\/8:51.01 3k
\n3. Alex Knapp (11) 16:51 PA State, 16:36.9 NXN-NE<\/span>, 19:15 NXN; 4:28.38\/9:45.23 and 4:37.25y
\n4. Seamus Collins (12) 16:40 PA State, 17:15.8 NXN-NE, 19:44 NXN; 4:24.46\/9:26.79<\/span> and 8:59.15 3k
\n5\/6. Eric Stratman (12) 16:50 PA State, 16:50.7 NXN-NE, 19:26 NXN; 4:19.84\/9:28.22<\/span> and 9:03.25
\n5\/6. Kevin Moy (12) 4:16.01<\/span>\/9:34.12
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\nUS#6 North Central WA<\/strong>: (track times 1600m\/3200m unless noted)
\n1. Tanner Anderson (11) 15:34.8 WA State, 15:48.9 NXN-NW, 17:42 NXN<\/span>; 4:14.30\/9:01.79
\n2. Kai Wilmot (12) 17:46 NXN<\/span>; 4:20.74\/9:11.06 and 9:09.58yi
\n3. Oliver Reed (12) 15:47.6 WA State<\/span>, 16:13.1 NXN-NW, 18:42 NXN; 4:24.68\/10:08.91
\n4. Justin Janke (10) 18:09.3 NXN-NW; 4:30.23\/9:36.72<\/span>
\n5. Andrew Vandine (11) 17:24.3 NXN-NW; 4:22.45<\/span>\/9:50.54
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\nUS#7 Long Beach Poly CA<\/strong>: (track times 1600m\/3200m unless noted)
\n1. Miguel Bautista (12) 14:30 CIF-SS, 15:25.8 CA State<\/span>; 4:22.63\/9:16.93 and 8:43.16 3k
\n2. Jovani Gamboa (12) 14:40 CIF-SS, 15:46.8 CA State<\/span>; 4:34.47
\n3. Christian Vazquez (12) 14:43 CIF-SS, 15:48.4 CA State<\/span>; 4:28.97\/9:50.81
\n4. Anthony Palazzo (11) 14:41 CIF-SS, 15:49.5 CA State<\/span>; 4:33.62\/9:39.12
\n5. Colby Penn (10) 14:57 CIF-SS<\/span>, 16:29.9 CA State; 4:42.47\/9:59.62
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\nEDIT: Underlined performances are the ones they are ranked on (their best performances, weighted towards longer races and in particular XC)","date_added":"Aug 30th 2013, 10:41pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":170093,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"844589":{"pb_id":"42418","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"844589","comment_id":"844589","member_id":"42418","comment":"Rob,
\nI would love to see, if and as you have time, some detail as to why you ranked the top teams as you did. Of course, the lists include what they did last year, but I'd love to see what they're returning (with a few track creds). If this is posted elsewhere, let me\/us know!
\nGreat job","date_added":"Aug 30th 2013, 4:56pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":170093,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-42418.jpeg","pb_title":"SteveU","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=42418","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/SteveU.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1030740"},"844581":{"pb_id":"4588","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"844581","comment_id":"844581","member_id":"4588","comment":"
\nWOW! I cannot imagine the amount of work that went into this! Excellent job! Very interesting to read and it should be a fun season!
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\nRob is the master!","date_added":"Aug 30th 2013, 2:58pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":{"wally_id":"388","email_settings":"8191","email":"scott.joerger@gmail.com","address":"ScottJoerger","gender":"m","member_id":"4588","member_name":"Scott Joerger","avatar_location":"av-4588.jpg","avatar_type":"upload","avatar":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-4588.jpg"},"can_delete":false,"item_id":170093,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-4588.jpg","pb_title":"Scott Joerger","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=4588","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/ScottJoerger.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"388"},"844574":{"pb_id":"45238","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"844574","comment_id":"844574","member_id":"45238","comment":"WOW! I cannot imagine the amount of work that went into this! Excellent job! Very interesting to read and it should be a fun season!","date_added":"Aug 30th 2013, 1:20pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":170093,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-45238.jpg","pb_title":"distancemulti68","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=45238","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=45238","pb_wally_id":"1105267"},"844329":{"pb_id":"45238","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"844329","comment_id":"844329","member_id":"45238","comment":"

<\/a>watchout, on , said:<\/p>

\nI sent them in a few hours ago, but I don't think they will be published until tomorrow. Sorry :(
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\nQuite alright! I'm very excited to see the complete list! Great job, BTW!!!","date_added":"Aug 30th 2013, 2:23am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":170093,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-45238.jpg","pb_title":"distancemulti68","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=45238","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=45238","pb_wally_id":"1105267"}},"last_id":"844329","url":"comments.php?item_type=news&item_id=170093&item_url=profile.php?member_id=50819"}

<\/a>distancemulti68, on , said:<\/p>